xtaxplayer Says:

Sep 21, 2010 - @freesk8 The Bible proves it. The history of God's work is written for all to see. It was written before and after the coming of his Son, Jesus Christ. Now that I have brought forth the proof by using history, just as the founders belief in God is written in their time for all to see, so is the Lords work. Peace be with you.

freesk8 Says:

Sep 21, 2010 - @xtaxplayer The Bible is a book. It contains wonderful things, and like every other book, it also has errors. I could show you another book that says God does not exist. But this would also fail to prove my case. Just because someone has written it in a book, that does not prove it to be true. "Of making many books there is no end..." Ecc 12:12.So you have failed to make your proof.Your argument is circular: This book is perfect, it says God exists. God says the book is perfect...

xtaxplayer Says:

Sep 22, 2010 - @freesk8 The history of America, a book, states American's are free and equal, is that true? History is history, if you do not believe that is your right. To say history is wrong without proof show's lack of knowledge. Sadly you are in this group. Someday you may be enlightened until then you keep your belief and I mine. I will not fight with the uneducated on this subject. If you choose to discuss this with me further, read the Bible, study history and we will talk. May God bless your soul.

freesk8 Says:

Sep 22, 2010 - @xtaxplayer Natural law says that all human beings are born free, and with the rights to life, liberty and property. I agree with this. But our government, which used to be and should have been the greatest defender of these natural rights, has become the greatest threat to those rights. Our rights are equal, but our situations and our abilities and our wealth will never be equal, and efforts to make them equal by socialists are evil and misguided. I wish you well, too.

percheron1654 Says:

Sep 22, 2010 - @xtaxplayer That's the beauty and complexity of reality; No one knows how any of this came to be. Sure we can all speculate, be it through science or theology. That makes the question; "How did it come to be?" rather rhetorical doesn't it?To answer your previous query; Morality is subjective.Both religious and secular morals.To provide continuity as well as relevance... When was the last time you killed your neighbor for working on the Sabbath? Opinions and morals, change.

xtaxplayer Says:

Sep 24, 2010 - @freesk8 Nice, but natural law does not give you the right to own property. That is the Declaration of Independence Our rights are equal, ability is only limited by ones self. I agree that socialist/progressive views to equal wealth by force are evil and misguided. My fear is that the system of education in the United States has been teaching social values for so long that those taught these values are in the belief that social values are true. I wish you well, and I've enjoyed our conversation.

xtaxplayer Says:

Sep 24, 2010 - @percheron1654 You have definitely never read the Bible especially Matthew 5:17-20 or the Beatitudes. For if you studied you would know the word of God. You would also know that the Lord shows the virtuous that it is not how you see others in God but how you see your own virtue. After all who is the ultimate judge? Is it you or I? No, it is the one true God, so it is not for us of the flesh to judge others. By the way nice try to avoid my question. If no one knows then who are you to say?

freesk8 Says:

Sep 25, 2010 - @xtaxplayer No, the D of I does not GIVE us any rights. Neither does the US Const. Rights exist BEFORE govts come in to existence. Good govts defend rights, bad ones violate them.Socialists have indeed taken over education, but the problem is with fiscal and individualism issues, not social issues. The US is not in decline because of gay marriage. It is in decline due to overspending, over-regulation, and creeping collectivism. You are right that this is promoted in the govt schools.

percheron1654 Says:

Sep 25, 2010 - @xtaxplayer I quite clearly answered your questions, you just didn't like the answer.If you really want me to elaborate... Faith; "A strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny." Morality; "concern with the distinction between good and evil or right and wrong."Your book is no more proof to your cause as is my claim that "no one knows" is to mine.I've entertained this nonsense enough. Enjoy the rest of your short life of servitude to your imagination.

xtaxplayer Says:

Sep 28, 2010 - @percheron1654 Quite clearly "no one knows" is a clear answer. . . Ha Ha Ha Ha, you people kill me with your beliefs. Listen smart one. No one is trying to force their faith on you. But clowns like you always try to force their beliefs on everyone else. Go into your little world and hide from the truth. Don't worry we won't spook you.

xtaxplayer Says:

Sep 28, 2010 - @freesk8 wrong about the money, I own colonial money from 1775 to 1780 and every one says either "blessed be the lord" or God bless the commonwealth of Massachusetts. Please stop making up stories or just believing what public school's tell you. No you do not have any right to persuade anyone. What you have is the right to speak, not to persuade. Get over your self. What you are complaining about with collectivism you are attempting to do with what you call rights to persuade. Think about it.

xtaxplayer Says:

Sep 28, 2010 - @freesk8 exactly! you are right the principles are based on peaceful rights like the right to worship any God you choose. Notice not the belief in no God. What I said about maybe you should leave, was me saying you should go. Try re-reading, I explained what the documents say and if you didn't agree with them maybe you should decide if you want to stay. If you are such a Constitutionalist maybe you should think before speaking.

xtaxplayer Says:

Sep 28, 2010 - @freesk8 Actually the Declaration of Independence doesn't even mention laws, but freedoms and rights taken away. The U.S. Constitution doesn't give rights either, but guarantee's them in writing. The public school system really doesn't teach much does it.

freesk8 Says:

Sep 29, 2010 - @xtaxplayer You wrote: "Notice not the belief in no God."So are you saying that I have no right NOT to believe in God?If not, do you propose making a federal or state law making atheism a crime punishable by fines or prison? Or do you propose deportation?

xtaxplayer Says:

Sep 29, 2010 - @RaySquirrel An idiot is one that states fact's they stand for but do not understand, ie: "A carbon tax may be bad for the economy now, but if it incentives people to find alternatives to oil it will be good in the future." ( I understand how fools forget so to remind you these are your words). Look up were the carbon tax would go . . . tree rat

xtaxplayer Says:

Sep 29, 2010 - @freesk8 I not proposing anything, Do you not read your laws? Look at your State and Federal Constitutions. Laws about believing in any God, study English much any God is a positive (referring) to a God not to a believe in no God. Seriously, your belief doesn't matter to me (as it should be), but since you keep misquoting the Declaration and the Constitution, I felt you should know what the State and federal law actually say. I could be wrong on your State (not knowing which) but most have it.

percheron1654 Says:

Sep 29, 2010 - @xtaxplayer Fail troll has failed trolling. lol.Assume the position, take it like a man.

xtaxplayer Says:

Sep 29, 2010 - @percheron1654 Do you have to tell yourself to "assume the position"?? That is sad. Are you really that stoned?? I begin our conversation when you wake up. Where's the Twinkies??? (I figured that was your next comment)

percheron1654 Says:

Sep 30, 2010 - @xtaxplayer nope, I'm pretty much done with what I was saying. I apparently can't convert the willingly ignorant. (you)

xtaxplayer Says:

Oct 1, 2010 - @percheron1654 You were done in the beginning. Your lack of knowledge and education has you babbling on trying to not look ridiculous and it is to late for that sadly. By the way without intelligence the last word is only arrogance showing it's stupidity. Don't prove your stupidity any longer, for your own sake, its getting comical.

percheron1654 Says:

Oct 2, 2010 - @xtaxplayer I'm sooooo sorry you couldn't bullshit your way into convincing me.

xtaxplayer Says:

Oct 5, 2010 - @percheron1654 See you can't even remember the conversation we had. I wasn't trying to convince you of anything. I know you have the right to believe whatever you want. Only a close minded fool would go to a site, where like minded people are, and try to convince them different of what they have the right to believe. Know anyone like that ? ? ?

percheron1654 Says:

Oct 5, 2010 - @xtaxplayer Jesus christ, you're still talking?

hatmap Says:

Jun 25, 2011 - Is Glenn Beck really up to "restoring honor" to America after eight years of George Dubya Bush, worst two-term president in history? Let's hope Obama can get some balls and keep getting better, especially in his second term!

otester Says:

Sep 7, 2011 - Glenn got what he deserved, tried to play anti-establishment while stabbing the movement in the back, he irritated the establishment too much so they kicked him out.Now no-one wants him.